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Paul McKeown wrote:For the experts, though, here is a question. Is there a way to get a full report (or a means to export the data) on all the players in an event, with all the entered data provided, including name, id, FIDE id, grade, rating, gender, club, date or birth, etc? Or even better, that plus all the games played.
That would be perfect for generating the necessary info for ECF grading, for instance. However, if such a thing exists, I haven't found it, and I end up hacking together various columns from various reports to get what is needed, which seems like unnecessary drudgery. Swiss Manager will output the tournament in a FIDE formatted file which is used for rating the tournament.
(menu selection: Other > FIDE Export) The ECF Result File Checker can read the FIDE results file and has a facility to output it in ECF format which the ECF Grader will accept. All ECF Graders have access to the Result File Checker program. It is a waste of time; you may be happy to spend your time cutting and pasting data from various sources, but other people have lives.
The reports generated should be the reports needed, or the software should provide you with adequate means to define your own reports. Swiss Mangler doesn't. Furthermore, it is a basic function of well-written software that if you input data, you can one output it. Where can one output all the player data input?
Nowhere that I can see, nor anywhere that you have suggested. Paul McKeown wrote:As the ECF's arbiters seem to be standardising on Mangler, would it not be a useful service for the ECF to produce two appropriate downloads for Mangler? FWIW I don't put the entries in that way. My entry spreadsheet gets run through some software, which looks up grades and ratings of the right type automatically, and get translated into a NAT rating list as described by Adam. I then import everyone in one go by importing the whole NAT rating list. This was how we ran the Southern Gigafinal you attended.
I didn't need to put anyone in any Swiss-Manager file until just before we wanted to print the pairings*, then just imported everyone in bulk. Meant I could get 600 players in about 15 tournaments with accurate data in about 15 minutes.
Importing those players one-by-one would have taken several people several hours. *This isn't recommended if you haven't done this before, because if the import fails for some reason, you're buggered. But we'd done it for dozens of other tournaments, so we had no reason to fear a problem.
Paul McKeown wrote:I am not an ECF grader, though I pass results on to someone who is. I normally do my own grading and rating. The only exception I can think of is the 4NCL Congresses, where Matthew Carr does the grading for them - however, he has all the information available anyway because he has access to the relevant Dropbox folder. So here's a suggestion for you - if you don't wish to take on the responsibility of grading your own tournaments, but you're collecting your entries now and putting the information from the entry forms in a spreadsheet, you might investigate sharing that spreadsheet with your grader via cloud storage. That way he has all the information he needs readily available when he can do the grading. You can even put the FIDE rating files you create in there.
So he has all the tools he needs to do his job without you doing anything more than you've done already. My entry spreadsheet gets run through some software, which looks up grades and ratings of the right type automatically, and get translated into a NAT rating list as described by Adam.
I then import everyone in one go by importing the whole NAT rating list. Would it not make sense to make such software available? The 4NCL owns it, so I don't hold the keys to that kingdom.
However, it has no user documentation at all, falls over if there are certain data entry errors that I know to avoid but others will fall headlong into if they haven't used it before, and it's only capable of holding one month's rating list at a time (which poses a challenge if two tournaments on one weekend are using it, but with different rating list requirements). It really is only written for the two people who currently use it. So I expect you'd conclude that it suffers from all the same drawbacks as Swiss-Manager.